instead of asking the question himself, "politico" reports after the pitch for protecting the house with an infusion of cash ryan left the room and a former republican senator made the ask with lawrence o'donnell" good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, ari. maybe we should try that. maybe we should double-team when we want something. i leave the room, you do the big ask for me. >> i'll ask for anything you need around here. >> we'll have a meeting later, ari. thanks, ari. >> thank you. >> well, rudy giuliani tried his hand at public defender of michael cohen when he was trying to defend michael cohen's $130,000 payment to stormy daniels but rudy giuliani is nowhere to be seen or heard trying to defend michael cohen's financial arrangements for the money that was paid to michael cohen by giant corporate interests trying to buy access

to the president of the united states. rudy giuliani was willing to say anything when it came to defending michael cohen for what michael cohen said was using his own money to pay off stormy daniels to buy her silence about her sexual relationship with donald trump. rudy giuliani said it's the kind of thing he did all the time for his clients. >> that was money that was paid by -- by his lawyer, the way i would do out of his law firm fund or whatever fund, it doesn't matter, the president reimbursed that. michael could take care of things like this, like i take care of things like this for my clients. is it the kind of thing i've settled for celebrities and famous people. every lawyer that has done that kind of work has. >> that kind of admission to a disbarable offense was a little much to bear from the giant law firm from which rudy giuliani took a leave of absence from to become donald trump's defender.

the firm announced today that rudy giuliani is no longer on a leave of absence because the firm has completely severed its relationship with rudy giuliani. and the law firm announced that rudy giuliani was not telling the truth about paying off porn stars and other women to buy their silence for celebrity clients with the law firm's money. jill perry, the law firm's spokesperson told the "new york times," we cannot speak for mr. giuliani with respect to what was intended by his remarks. speaking for ourselves, we would not condone payments of the nature alleged to have been made or otherwise without the knowledge and direction of a client. rudy giuliani issued a written statement about his departure from the firm today, i believe it is in everyone's best interests that i make it a permanent resignation.

a written statement from rudy giuliani. when did rudy giuliani become so careful, so reserved issuing a written statement instead of going on fox news and blabbing about it and while he's at it calling stormy daniels' lawyer, michael avenatti, an ambulance chaser. his favorite phrase of last week. rudy giuliani and donald trump have not dared say the words michael avenatti this week after michael avenatti revealed the millions of dollars in payments that michael cohen's llc has received after he used that llc to pay stormy daniels $130,000, including the payment of a $500,000 in flow from a company with strong family ties and business ties to the russian oligarch, viktor vekselberg. that is the payment exposed by michael avenatti that has finally brought the stormy

daniels story together with the russian influence in trump world story. it has been michael avenatti's most important moment so far, and most startling revelation about michael cohen. and rudy giuliani has nothing to say about it. not a word. this week rudy giuliani has been silenced, either because the president realizes how much damage rudy giuliani does every time he opens his mouth, or rudy giuliani and the trump team cannot think of a single thing to say about michael cohen pulling in multi-million dollar paychecks by selling access to donald trump, or both. as expected. we're learning more about the big payments to michael cohen every day. but president trump's audience in indiana tonight seems to have heard nothing about it and the

speech writers for one of the most corrupt, if not the most corrupt administration in history, actually put these words in the president's teleprompter tonight. >> under my administration we're fighting against the lobbyists, the special interest, and the corrupt washington politics. >> one of the special interests that paid over $1 million to michael cohen for the first year of the trump presidency is now admitting that it was a big mistake. the new ceo of the pharmaceutical company, novartis sent an e-mail to his employees today saying we made a mistake entering into this engagement and as a consequence are being criticized by a world that expects more from us. one senior employee speaking on the condition of anonymity said they feel disgusted.

added people are angry and confused because it makes all of us look bad. the daily beast reporting that the payment to michael cohen was the largest lobbying effort in made. their payments to outside lobbying firms averaged under $12,000 a month, less than an eighth of what it paid cohen for the better part of a year in which the company said he did exactly zero work. for that zero work, novartis was paying michael cohen $100,000 a month. at&t was paying michael cohen $50,000 a month and we now know, thanks to "the washington post," that at&t was paying michael cohen quote for help on a wide portfolio of issues pending before the federal government, including the company's proposed merger with time warner. at&t internal documents show

that michael cohen was hired to, quote, focus on specific long term planning initiatives as well as the immediate issue of corporate tax reform and advise the company on matters before the federal communications commission. michael avenatti was met once again with terrified silence today by rudy giuliani and donald trump when he tweeted a copy of an e-mail that appears to be an e-mail sent by michael cohen two days after the fbi raided michael cohen's home, office, and hotel room, in his first tweet about this today, michael avenatti said, on april 9th, the fbi raided mr. cohen's home, office and hotel room. within 48 hours, mr. cohen sent the below e-mail to mr. davidson. why? they had no ongoing legal matter at the time. was it part of an attempt by mr. cohen to obstruct justice or worse?

attached to the tweet was an e-mail from michael cohen to keith davidson, who was stormy daniels' lawyer at the time she negotiated the con few den tshlty agreement with donald trump. the e-mail said i lost all my contacts as i had to get a new phone. send me a new phone. also why did anthony back out on abc to do the story. let me know how you want to communicate. signed michael d. cohen, esquire, personal attorney to president donald j. trump. michael avenatti in another tweet pointed out, mr. giuliani claimed that mr. cohen is no longer mr. trump's lawyer as of when? because as of april 11, 2018, this year, he was still his lawyer as evidenced by the e-mail i just posted. see also mr. trump's comments on air force one that same month.

michael avenatti has not revealed how he obtained an e-mail from michael cohen to attorney keith davidson. joining our discussion now, harry litman, tim o'brien, and jennifer rogers, former federal prosecutor. she is now executive director for the center of advancement of integrity at columbia law school. that signature block on michael cohen's e-mail is fascinating because this is the new phone he had to get after the fbi seized all of his phones, more than a dozen of them apparently. so he had to deliberately type onto there after the fbi raid, personal attorney to donald trump. what's your reading of that? >> it's also the title he was very unabashed about using

apparently around the world and certainly around the u.s. in order to drum up business. everyone is saying pay to play, same old, same old. but it isn't. because one of the things he was doing, it's ironic, the same time he's out thing himself, he was selling a certain kind of anonymity. that's the reason he wasn't registered as a lobbyist. so the companies were not simply buying access, they were buying quiet access. and it seems that that's how a company like novartis could slip into agreeing to pay him $1 million before they had even met him. there was something extra going on beside normal pay to play. >> jennifer, is there a legal point? is there something the bar association would be interested in a lawyer who, after the fbi raid, in this case michael cohen, on his new phone types in there personal attorney to

donald j. trump? if if that isn't true, if that's something someone has decided to type in there to impress people when it's no longer true, are there any legal, ethical implications to that? >> i think the bar association will be interested in a lot of what michael cohen has been doing. i'm not sure this is at the top of the list. if trump ended their relationship, then yes, you can't represent you're the lawyer anymore. but everything michael cohen was doing, acting as an unregistered lobbyist, paying stormy daniels without the client's permission, there are all sorts of things that the bar association, i think, is going to end his career over. >> you are our michael cohen, donald trump psychiatrist in effect. you dealt with both of them, you know them both. you ended up getting sued by them over your book about donald trump, which you won that case. is it just as innocent as

michael cohen has no identity of his own without those words, personal attorney to donald trump? >> i wouldn't use the word innocent. >> way too strong a word for those guys. >> but it's an explanation. donald trump, you know, during the campaign, during the transition and for most of his business career, has been surrounded by people who have tried today hitch their star to his wagon. michael cohen is the latest in a long line of those kind of people. the e-mail he sent to davidson didn't have trump tower address on it, it was his own address at 30 rock. >> that's also true. the address he used was the 30 rock address, which was the office that was raided and the day it was raided, that law firm said he's no longer here. so even the address is false in the e-mail. >> this is one after trump was elected until the point in time

he's sending that e-mail has been shunned by trump largely. he didn't get a job in washington, he was iced out during the transition, it wounded him. trump didn't again reach out to him via twitter until after his office got raided because trump was worried about him flipping on him, i think. all of this thing about personal attorney to trump is trying to get money. i think all the details from michael avenatti, i think it's a guy saying i can get you access. as we know in the case of novartis, they were a month in the relationship until novartis realized they couldn't deliver, but they kept paying because they couldn't legally end the contract, but they stopped working with him, because he didn't have that much access to donald trump. the most interesting payment is

the one with nova, with viktor vekselberg. >> that's the one lurking in the background. >> that goes to the heart and soul of what robert mueller is investigating. whether there were quid pro quos to people in the trump administration for money and whether donald trump knew about that. >> we have learned through michael avenatti's revelation of these payments and a lot of the great reporting by "the washington post" and others following up, a bunch of information about these payments to michael cohen, which obviously special prosecutor robert mueller has known for quite a while. this is a revelation again of how far ahead of us he is. what do you see as the special prosecutor's main points of interests of what we have publicly learned this week? >> when he finds out about this, even though they don't -- unless there's been some act in quid

pro quo by an office holder, the fact that cohen is going around basically being a grifter doesn't necessarily sound as a federal crime. there are things that might have been fraudulent and violation of election law in the stormy daniels thing and that might be insighted his interest. but if you're a prosecutor and you find this mess with an llc, what is going on that he's doing the $130,000 payment but also the repository for the $4 million, there's some reason to think that based on the contract with stormy daniels, which has some anomalous passages that it was sort of used in other places, i think for mueller, what he wants to know, basically, is every dollar that went into essential llc and every dollar that came out and what kind of financial crimes could those describe, it's a little hard to say. as tim says, there's probably mischief of an international

nature but it's enough to get your antenna buzzing as the prosecutor. >> and jennifer, mueller new all of this, and more, obviously, including where the money went, before the referral of this information was made to the southern district of new york, before he basically handed over this file and everything he found out about it and sent it up here to new york. >> that's right. we're hearing that at&t and novartis spoke to mueller's team in november. it was probably sometime between november and january when the case went to sdny. i'm wondering if one of these might be flatout wire fraud here. we don't know what representations michael cohen made to these companies and they'd be reluctant to admit they were victims of fraud, they're public companies after all, but this could be a flatout fraud case, he could have been

defrauding them for this money. >> so the elements of fraud could be michael cohen promises at&t or one of these other companies, i can do x, and it turns out he could not do x -- >> that's right. >> -- and that would be it? >> he lies to them. it can't be just puffery, i'm so great and it turns out he can't deliver like a real lobbyist would do. but he has to promise them things factually untrue and he takes their money. that could be what's going on here, whether or not that becomes a case or not, i don't know that these quote, unquote victims will want to play the victims in this scenario. that might be what's going on here as he's trying to get this money in his account. >> tim, for example, michael cohen to at&t, just as a hypothetical, don't worry i can get trump to go along with the merger. >> i can get your multibillion dollar merger passed.

>> does that sound like something michael cohen would say. >> he can help you navigate obamacare and drug price policies or air force contracts. some reporting that came out tonight we know, in fact, at&t specifically wanted help with its takeover of time warner, it came out in documents they got. it had to dawn on them quickly that michael cohen new nothing about tell communications, anti-drug pricing, or air force contracts. the strange thing is in the moment that donald trump got elected, k street got erupted because no one had a relationship with him. so all of these firms were scrambling to find someone they thought did. it boggles the imagination that they thought michael cohen would be the guy who could deliver these things. >> novartis, as tim is saying,

they're saying we couldn't terminate the contract. they could have if he was doing nothing, that's obviously cause. so he has the perfect victims in the sense because the corporations don't want egg on their face. >> one of the companies said we were afraid to end the contract because we were afraid of the president's anger if we ended a contract with his friend? >> exactly p p this is what we're talking about. this is where you might look to crimes associated with that. people are thinking of quid pro quo bribery, that's not what we have. and you could probably throw threats in there if it was based on a specific comment. >> michael cohen, i have his threats memorized that have been revealed publicly in the past. thank you all for joining us in the beginning of our discussion tonight. coming up, the most important thing tonight in donald trump's speech in indiana

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the democrats, they fight against the borders, they fight to raise your taxes. they want to raise your taxes. they fight for all the things that we don't stand for. >> that was president trump when he went to mike pence's home state tonight with mike pence, of course, dutifully at his side. and it was 2017 all over again in indiana tonight. and i mean early 2017, back when donald trump was bragging about his election victory and how he won indiana back when there was no special prosecutor, no stormy daniels and no michael cohen scandals. >> how great is coach bobby knight? we love our coach. remember, he came in? he called me before i was running. i didn't know him, they said bobby knight's on the phone. i said what does he want with me? i never announced.

i was thinking. but i guess he read and he said, mr. trump, i hope you're going to run. >> and just like the good old days the president told lies about building a wall on the southern border. >> san diego wants the wall. and i said to my people, here's the bad news, if we give them the wall, we don't have an advocate. if we don't give them the wall they're going to be putting a lot of pressure on governor moon beam in california, right? i said let's build a wall for san diego. so we're building them the wall. i shouldn't have done it. >> they're not building the wall. they're repairing the wall. donald trump constantly departed from his teleprompter text and improvised long sections of his speech. but he did not dare mention the investigations swirling around

him, and he did not dare use the words witch hunt the way he did just last week at the nra convention. >> i would love to speak but i have to find that we're going to be treated fairly. right now it's a pure witch hunt. why don't we have republicans looking also? why aren't we having republican people doing what all these democrats are doing? it is a very unfair thing. if i thought it was fair i would override my lawyer. >> he was on his way to the nra convention. joining us now jonathan kapart and jason johnson. jonathan, remember bobby knight? >> how could i not? >> you can't forgot him tonight. >> it's the president's greatest hits. i thought for sure i was sitting in the theatre watching travesties again, there's a gong and the scene resets itself and everyone is saying the same lines again.

bobby knight, the wall, did he tell the story about the frog and the scorpion for good measure? >> here's what he didn't talk about, lying comey, special prosecutors, a rigged group of prosecutors trying to get him, witch hunt, none of that tonight. >> what's interesting you showed him on his way to the nra convention where he talked about it. at the convention, at joint base andrews, he talked about it some more, that was friday. what happened in the interim? rudy giuliani went back on television on sunday and made a bad situation, which he was trying to clear up on friday, made it worse. and now we've heard nothing but crickets. >> and jason, michael avenatti comes out tuesday, and drops a nuclear bomb into the situation with his revelations about michael cohen's use of that llc

and not a word tonight from donald trump about any of this. >> it is a miracle. i think michael avenatti might be the only person in this country to get trump to shutup. he might have that unique skill set. he has managed to get the president to not talk about his prosecutions for this one minute. here's what's interesting, that's part of why it's a throw back. that's all he has to go back, he has to go back to the election, to the fact he could have picked bobby knight instead of mike pence, that's what's interesting about the rally. the president, it's like he always has to go back to the safe space, to the comfort zone he's got of when he wasn't in trouble and when he didn't have to do his job and indiana is going to give him that opportunity. may not give him the votes he needs but gives him the opportunity. >> here's how afraid donald trump is this week in what's going on in the investigation. he has not used the word witch hunt since 9:35 a.m. on monday

when he tweeted, is this phony witch hunt going to go on any longer so it impacts the midterm elections, which is what the democrats always intended? republicans better get tough and smart before it is too late! this is thursday night that's monday morning. it's a long time. >> it's part of his greatest hits. but as you pointed out, michael avenatti, has given him a run for his money on this to the point where, as jason just said, he's shut him up on this case. remember, all we talked about was he never mentioned the name stormy daniels. >> yes. >> and that changed. correct me if i'm wrong, has he ever said the name michael avenatti? has he ever mentioned him? >> the president hasn't. giuliani has. >> giuliani and other people have. >> but the president hasn't. that to me, i have long said

that michael avenatti is beating president trump at his own game in the court of public opinion. >> this is a president who has reached far below the michael avenatti level to attack critics. >> he's attacked people at espn, attacked everybody on the planet. there are three names you never hear out of trump's mouth, michael avenatti is one, he never talked about michelle obama and he was always very careful, he can talk about nancy pelosi, he never said the name of soldiers and people who have died. he knows even among his base that's too far. michael avenatti is the good version of what people wanted trump to be, the tough new york attitude, the sort of style and swagger but he seems to be fighting on the side of justice and that's one of the reasons trump doesn't want to go head-to-head with a guy like that. >> smart. >> we're going to come back to you in a moment. stay with us.

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according to mere yam webster, oleaginous is the most searched for word. that means our next guest george will sent america running to the dictionary with his first line today. donald trump is no longer the worst person in government.

it begins with this, donald trump with his federal cunning, knew. the oleaginous mike pence, with hissal tent for toadyism and appetite for obbust ask yous. vote republican to ratify governin an example george will writes pence flew to indiana for the purpose of walking out of a football game, because football players kneeling to the national anthem is wrong to mike pence's sense of right and wrong.

writing, pence, called arpaio another favorite. professed himself honored by arpaio's presence and praised him as a tireless champion of the rule of law. george will noted that that arizona speech by mike pence, quote, occurred eight miles from the home of senator john mccain, who could teach pence -- or perhaps not -- something about honor. in his column, he quoted a speech delivered by abraham lincoln. lincoln said, there was a mobocratic spirit among the vicious portion of the population.

so let reverence for the laws become the political religion of the nation. george will went on to say, pence, one of the evangelical christians' favorite pin-ups jen flecks at various altars as the mobocratic spirit and the vicious portion require. he sees a difference between mike pence and donald trump, trump is what he is, and pence is what he has chosen to be. here are the closing lines of george will's column. trump is what he is. a floundering, inarticulate jumble of gnawing insecurities and not at all compensating vanities, which is pathetic. pence is what he has chosen to be, which is horrifying. george f. will will join us next.

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it's striking to hear the president and vice president say that tonight when history might show he spents what might be a majority of his days attacking the fbi, which i believe is in the business of law enforcement. >> it is. but the president has an almost cheerful disregard of contradictions. if you keep saying things, people will not notice. >> and your point about, to borrow a phrase from another setting, donald trump seems to have been born this way, but mike pence has made a choice. >> well, donald trump is an open book who's been reading himself to the country for 30 years. there are just no mysteries left and he is this -- as i said this jumble of insecurities and partially or not at all compensating vanities. he's a kind of mistake of nature and he is what he is.

but mr. pence, who has signed on to this -- the vice president si is not an office that has a high dignity at the best of times. but to sign on to this and go out to arizona and praise arpaio and call himself honored. this wouldn't be bad if mr. pence weren't the darling of the evangelicals. he's a contradiction of the the dickens character calling himself umable about this and humble about this. if you are going to be, as mr. pence has decided to be, con speck cowly moral then you have to watch where you plant your feet. >> you sent the country to the dictionary today looking for the word, so i would like you to

define oleaginous for the audience and tell them why you chose that one for mike pence. >> in one word, oily. that's the kind of word i would use a word with my children in the college application business, it's an s.a.t. word, look it up and i'm glad to see the country did this today. it means oily, kind of greasy, just too smooth for comfort. again, the sense that -- when fears that mr. pence by now has surfaced all the way through and it's not a pretty picture. again, he has signed on for this. when he first began to sign on to mr. trump, he used to define mr. trump as this good man. what would a bad man look like? >> you have watched mike pence certainly since his congressional career. are you surprised? >> i am surprised.

he was a congressman of bravery on occasions, voted against, inspite of pressure, against medicare part d. opposed no child left behind because he thought this was instrugs on the state and local responsibility. when he said good-bye to all that and he's going to do whatever the audience in front of him wants and expects to have done. which is why it was so shocking what he did in arizona with arpaio. when he said i'm honored to have arpaio here, he's saying politics now is entirely tribal. our tribe has arpaio on its side therefore i'm on arpaio's side and it's very, very disspiriting. >> george f. will thank you for sending the country to the dictionary again for ans.a.t. word and thank you for joining

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kelly sadlersounds like she's a member of the trump family but she's a low ranking trump white house communications staffer. that's what she was when she started her work day today. and the sickening thing is she still is a white house staffer

after it was publically reported what she said today about senator john mccain during a white house staff meeting. in reaction to senator mccain's announcement that he opposed the nomination of gina haspel as the next cia director, she said, it doesn't matter he's dieing anyway. the trump white house tried to say this was contrary to the top of the white house and issued a statement to john mccain. but she was doing a version of donald trump's 2015 comments about senator mccain. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured, okay. i like to tell you. >> a supporting guest this morning on the fox business channel said he wasn't surprised

at john mccain's opposition to the nomination for the cia director. and then the guest lied to the fox audience by claiming that when john mccain was a prisoner of war in vietnam, he cooperated with his captors by giving them information that they wanted to know. this is, of course, a vile lie. john mccain was a prisoner of war for 5 1/2 years. when offered early release by the north vietnamese, john mccain refused unless every prisoner of war captured before him was also released. john mccain was brutally tortured and returned to the united states with injuries that left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head. the fox program host apologized later. jonathan capehart and jason johnson are back with us, and it is quite striking that kelly sadler is still employed by this trump white house. >> striking or not surprising given this white house?

there is a moral void in the oval office, and i've been saying that since charlottesville. so the fact that you have a staffer who can say that, have it be made public, and is still employed by the white house is shocking. it should not happen. she should not be in that job, and yet she still is because the president of the united states is on record -- you just showed it there when he was a candidate. so if he's going to say that as a candidate, it wouldn't even bother him in the least or make him think that, no, she should not be a part of this administration. there's a moral void. there's a lack of empathy. there is no class in this administration. >> and so, jason, john mccain announces his opposition to a trump nominee, and kelly sadler, white house staffer, says, it doesn't matter. he's dying anyway. is there anyone who can say donald trump would never say

that? >> no. no. and this is what's always gotten me honestly, lawrence, about this administration. yeah, there's a moral void and everything else like that. but this goes back to the playground. you always believe in say it to my face. and what really bothers me about how trump operates and the people who he's empowered is they're always talking smack about folks. but when they get caught, they lie. they hide. he says something about mexico, but when he's next to pena nieto, he's hiding his hands. he's next to a president from nigeria after saying s-hole countries and he can't blink. he can't admit to it. everybody in this administration has this same cowardice that they can say all sorts of nonsense but can't face the people they're talking about. >> senator mccain's wife, cindy, tweeted directly to kelly sadler tonight, saying, may i remind you my husband has a family, seven children, and five grandchildren? and, jonathan capehart, that's the kind of reminder that as far as we can tell means absolutely nothing to people like donald

trump and kelly sadler. >> none. it means nothing. i mean cindy -- meghan mccain is all over twitter. she is someone who tweets all the time. her mother, cindy mccain, i didn't even know she had a twitter account. the fact that she sent out this tweet means that what kelly sadler said was not only harsh, insensitive, but it struck deep into the heart of this family that clearly is coming to terms with what is going to happen to their -- her husband, meghan's father, grandfather, an american statesman, an american hero, at a time when they are desperately trying to hold things together. >> and here's the thing. this is what makes it worse. no one else is saying anything. where are the rest of these spineless republicans? i mean they had nothing to say about this. and when john mccain finally passes away, and he should be honored.

there are some great things he's done as a statesman. they're all going to be parading around and talking about what a great guy he was and ignoring the fact that they never came to his defense when he was constantly unnecessarily attacked by this president who couldn't go to war because he had bone spurs. >> and where tonight is general john kelly, the man who likes to attach his former military title to himself whenever convenient? john kelly has someone working in his white house who is fireable immediately by john kelly. john kelly has allowed kelly sadler to say about john mccain, it doesn't matter. he's dying anyway. and john kelly is absolutely silent about it. we're going to have to leave it there. jonathan capehart, jason johnson, thank you both for joining us. tonight's last word is next. dear foremothers, your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands... commanded armies...

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time for tonight's last word about michael cohen's big paychecks from corporate america. >> they explained they had a

good reason. essential consulting was one of several firms we engaged in early 2017 to provide insights into understanding the new administration. you paid for insights into this administration? he's a horny old racist who likes cheeseburgers more than his children. $200,000, please. this payment was also confirmed by an official from novartis who said, with a new administration coming in, cohen promised access. so they paid $1.2 million for access to the same administration that let michael wolff just sit around writing down everything he saw? no wonder drugs cost so much. >> that's tonight's last word. stephen colbert gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now.

"the 11th hour begins now. but as the president calls for bofrder security and urges his supports to